Um, so this happened.
Dan - URTV 10:38 pm
(22:38:12): Heyy Brian! :-)
Jenuinejen69 10:38 pm
(22:38:27): hey
Dan - URTV 10:39 pm
(22:39:31): hows it goin
Jenuinejen69 10:39 pm
(22:39:35): good, you?
Dan - URTV 10:40 pm
(22:40:01): im goood. just got home. time to relax and wait for bb
Jenuinejen69 10:40 pm
(22:40:16): tonight is gunna be sad :-(
Dan - URTV 10:40 pm
(22:40:33): yeah. for certain people :-(
Jenuinejen69 10:41 pm
(22:41:35): she cant go :-(
Dan - URTV 10:41 pm
(22:41:59): the saboteur said she might not
Jenuinejen69 10:42 pm
(22:42:06): i hope not!
Dan - URTV 10:42 pm
(22:42:50): tbh, I want Brendon gone first. He's such a whiner.
(22:42:55): At least Rachel is entertaining
Jenuinejen69 10:43 pm
(22:43:16): exactly!
Dan - URTV 10:44 pm
(22:44:26): ugh
(22:44:28): im so upset
(22:44:30): you have no idea
Jenuinejen69 10:44 pm
(22:44:38): why?
Dan - URTV 10:44 pm
(22:44:41): you know why
(22:44:43): :-(
Jenuinejen69 10:44 pm
(22:44:48): ?
Dan - URTV 10:45 pm
(22:45:12): I dont get it
(22:45:26): but im hearing horrible stuff
Jenuinejen69 10:45 pm
(22:45:34): from who?
Dan - URTV 10:45 pm
(22:45:46): it doesnt matter really
(22:45:52): but Im guessing its Russell's idea
(22:45:55): :-\
Jenuinejen69 10:46 pm
(22:46:08): ?
(22:46:20): why would i listen to what Russell has to say?
Dan - URTV 10:47 pm
(22:47:10): i have no idea but can you tell me what you'd like to do with noms
Jenuinejen69 10:47 pm
(22:47:46): i'm i'm posting my ceremony in a bit
Dan - URTV 10:48 pm
(22:48:04): why cant you just sya
Jenuinejen69 10:49 pm
(22:49:04): if you go up, it's nothing personal
Dan - URTV 10:49 pm
(22:49:07): brian
(22:49:22): ive helped you a lot this whole game
(22:49:34): especially with moral support when you were being used as a pawn
(22:49:38): I deserve to make jury at least
Dan - URTV 10:50 pm
(22:50:01): and if you put me up, you're basically fucking me
(22:50:39): just last week, you said you wanted to go far with each other. I dont understand why putting me up would benefit you at ll
(22:50:41): all*
Jenuinejen69 10:51 pm
(22:51:33): on your totem of alliance, i see myself at the bottom
Dan - URTV 10:52 pm
(22:52:13): so you're saying I didnt help you out at all?
Jenuinejen69 10:52 pm
(22:52:18): no you did
(22:52:21): i'm not denying that
Dan - URTV 10:52 pm
(22:52:24): and this is how i get repaid
Jenuinejen69 10:52 pm
(22:52:50): down the line, you would have sided with others over me and i know that
Dan - URTV 10:52 pm
(22:52:56): all I want is to make freakin jury. if I go next round I wouldnt care
(22:53:09): but ive been putting my all into this game and I think I deserve that much
(22:53:44): you'd be upset too if you went out one round before jury. I know you would
Jenuinejen69 10:53 pm
(22:53:50): anyone would
Dan - URTV 10:54 pm
(22:54:03): okay Brian
(22:54:12): I really think you dont care if you go next round
Jenuinejen69 10:54 pm
(22:54:22): i do
Dan - URTV 10:54 pm
(22:54:32): then what youre doing with noms
(22:54:35): doesnt show that
Jenuinejen69 10:54 pm
(22:54:49): so i should just waste my HoH?
Dan - URTV 10:54 pm
(22:54:52): NO
(22:55:02): but you dont have to waste it
(22:55:10): and you can still help yourself
(22:55:16): putting me up right now doesnt help you
Jenuinejen69 10:55 pm
(22:55:58): what should i do then?
Dan - URTV 10:56 pm
(22:56:36): the more targets you keep in the game, the less you are in the open taking fire
(22:56:51): so obviously I wouldnt put me or even russell up
(22:57:09): how about going off of actions instead of listening to peoples words
(22:57:17): because actions do speak a lot louder
(22:57:37): like people have shown you they do have your back in different ways
(22:57:48): people win hoh and keep you safe. people support you when youre down.
(22:57:53): some people use you as a pawn
(22:57:56): others vote you out
(22:58:05): i mean, these are the obvious things right in front of your face
Jenuinejen69 10:58 pm
(22:58:34): i know, i know
Dan - URTV 10:58 pm
(22:58:59): this is what I mean, putting me up since i've done nothing to you and dont ever have any intentions of it, isnt smart.
Jenuinejen69 11:01 pm
(23:01:14): this is nothing against you personally
Dan - URTV 11:01 pm
(23:01:31): so who is going up with me
(23:01:35): at least tell me wthat
Jenuinejen69 11:01 pm
(23:01:44): im still trying to decide any nominations
Dan - URTV 11:01 pm
(23:01:53): okay
(23:01:58): do you want other options?
Jenuinejen69 11:02 pm
(23:02:26): yes of course
Dan - URTV 11:03 pm
(23:03:25): why not jordan since I know you wouldnt mind putting her up
Jenuinejen69 11:03 pm
(23:03:33): i do have reason
Dan - URTV 11:03 pm
(23:03:48): with someone else who might come after you later. I just dont see the benefit in nomming someone not targetting you
(23:04:07): because think of it this way, we have always been good and got along really well
(23:04:25): if I was on jury and you were f2, dont you think I'd be happy and more likely to want to give you my vote?
(23:04:55): are you good with everyone else in the game? so much so that they'd like for you to win?
Jenuinejen69 11:05 pm
(23:05:01): i dont see myself ever making final 2 in this game
Dan - URTV 11:05 pm
(23:05:07): i dont see why not
(23:05:10): you've gotten this far
(23:05:15): and I told you that you were going to win hoh
Dan - URTV 11:05 pm
(23:05:32): so I mean, you can do it. You have the determination thats for sure
(23:05:39): so why get rid of someone who can help you
Jenuinejen69 11:07 pm
(23:07:18): this isn't an easy choice
Dan - URTV 11:07 pm
(23:07:25): Im not saying it is
(23:07:30): at all
Dan - URTV 11:08 pm
(23:08:51): im just saying why me staying on your good side will benefit you in the longer run
(23:08:57): than putting me up
Jenuinejen69 11:09 pm
(23:09:40): say it's final 5
(23:09:43): your hoh
(23:09:50): me, jerry, jeff and michele are left
(23:09:55): who goes up as your target?
Dan - URTV 11:09 pm
(23:09:58): thats like a no brainer Brian
(23:10:03): who is the pair in that group
Jenuinejen69 11:10 pm
(23:10:06): idk
Dan - URTV 11:10 pm
(23:10:08): are the pair*
(23:10:11): Jerry and Jeff
(23:10:22): anyone who lets them make final 5 isnt thinking
Jenuinejen69 11:10 pm
(23:10:51): why didn't you put them up last week then?
Dan - URTV 11:11 pm
(23:11:23): jerry had the double vote
(23:11:26): just like with you guys
(23:11:36): and if i put him up, he would've had the votes to stay
(23:11:39): or keep jeff
(23:11:51): I thought about that before I decided not to use the veto
Jenuinejen69 11:12 pm
(23:12:20): but putting them both up pre veto and you winning would have secured a split
Dan - URTV 11:13 pm
(23:13:10): hindsight is 20/20 man! lol I didnt know I would win veto and putting them both up would've also secured me having an enemy
(23:13:22): im not sure if people go around purposely trying to make enemies, but I really try not to
(23:14:14): Im just saying in that situation you brought up, the clear choice would be to target a pair. Im not saying for you to do that this round
(23:14:22): you have to do whats best for you and trying to get further
(23:14:40): but by putting me up, i dont think it benefits you in the long run. I just dont.
(23:14:55): and if I were to win veto, I wouldnt use it if you didnt want me to
Dan - URTV 11:15 pm
(23:15:15): unless I was nommed and then I'd be safe but you would have just ruined a good working relationship that didnt need to be severed
Jenuinejen69 11:15 pm
(23:15:59): this is really hard :-(
Dan - URTV 11:16 pm
(23:16:13): im trying to help you man. I do want you to make the right choices for yourself
(23:16:46): because ultimately this is your decision. I just think me going up wont be the right move and I dont want it to hurt you
Jenuinejen69 11:17 pm
(23:17:02): ok let me run this past you
Jenuinejen69 11:17 pm
(23:17:30): i put you up as a pawn, i veto you down if i win and we evict the replacement/original nominee?
Dan - URTV 11:18 pm
(23:18:08): In theory that would work, but its such a huge risk too
(23:18:29): and also, it would depend on who the other nom is
Jenuinejen69 11:18 pm
(23:18:34): Jordan
Dan - URTV 11:19 pm
(23:19:10): you do realize that she has more friends in this game than I do right?
(23:19:18): all of the people you think im aligned with would keep her
Jenuinejen69 11:19 pm
(23:19:18): i know she won season 8
Dan - URTV 11:19 pm
(23:19:23): over me
Jenuinejen69 11:19 pm
(23:19:30): you where Amy?
Dan - URTV 11:19 pm
(23:19:38): OH no
(23:19:43): i meant, they'd keep her over me
(23:19:44): lol
Jenuinejen69 11:19 pm
(23:19:48): oh
Dan - URTV 11:19 pm
(23:19:50): She was Amy last season
(23:19:58): Nakomis won season 8
Jenuinejen69 11:20 pm
(23:20:03): i was told she won :
(23:20:04): :-\
Dan - URTV 11:20 pm
(23:20:16): lol well runner up is pretty damn close to winning
Jenuinejen69 11:20 pm
(23:20:22): yeah
Dan - URTV 11:20 pm
(23:20:31): but yeah, I'd go over her
Jenuinejen69 11:21 pm
(23:21:01): this is where my dilemma falls
(23:21:16): if you stay there is NO way i'd ever win against you, ever
Dan - URTV 11:21 pm
(23:21:34): do you think anyone else is going to let me anywhere near the finals?
(23:21:46): but they all at least are going to give me the respect of me being on jury
(23:22:09): everyone knows im a threat but they havent targeted me yet because I actually care about the game and Im a competitor
(23:22:56): i think you can come out of this okay and still look good in peoples eyes but getting rid of me wouldnt help. Getting rid of Jordan, you'd at least gain more favor
Jenuinejen69 11:23 pm
(23:23:26): but now you know im thinking of putting you up, even if i dont, your still going to doubt me?
Dan - URTV 11:23 pm
(23:23:48): No. This whole time Brian, I havent doubted you. I know you listen to reason.
(23:23:58): If I didnt care or didnt think you'd even hear me out, I wouldnt have bothered
(23:24:08): do you know what that means?
Jenuinejen69 11:24 pm
(23:24:11): yeah
(23:24:23): im a listener, i dont tell people to stfu
Dan - URTV 11:24 pm
(23:24:29): and you could be
(23:24:32): since this is your hoh
(23:24:40): that separates you from people in the game
(23:25:16): like lets say Bacon was hoh and you were around, if he wanted to nom you and you were trying to talk to him, he'd probably tell you it doesnt matter what you have to say and thats that
Dan - URTV 11:25 pm
(23:25:55): thinking about nomming me and doing it are two totally different things. Trust would not be lost. If anything, by not putting me up, I'd gain more for you.
Jenuinejen69 11:26 pm
(23:26:44): ugh
(23:26:51): idk what to do
(23:27:30): if i where to play with my heart i would never put you up
Dan - URTV 11:28 pm
(23:28:33): I know but if you put me up later because im a huge threat, i'd understand but right now it wouldnt be smart because it keeps a threat in the game, one who wouldnt go after you at all
(23:29:25): taking me out now just gives people a reason to discard you and keep their allies in the game
Jenuinejen69 11:32 pm
(23:32:14): who do you have in an alliance? to keep me safe?
Dan - URTV 11:32 pm
(23:32:55): well I know Russell would keep you safe.
(23:33:26): Jeff would.
(23:34:02): I dont see Angie putting you up. you guys seemed to have been close all game. idk if thats changed or not
Jenuinejen69 11:34 pm
(23:34:28): we are kinda on and off
Dan - URTV 11:35 pm
(23:35:03): because since you cant compete next week, dont you want people who you know would keep you safe for sure?
(23:35:08): as opposed to people you're not sure about?
(23:35:31): the people you're not sure about should be the ones you're worried about most
Jenuinejen69 11:36 pm
(23:36:09): yes ik D:
Jenuinejen69 11:37 pm
(23:37:28): i hate this
Dan - URTV 11:38 pm
(23:38:03): well Im gonna be here to talk and help you. Now and whenever you need it
Jenuinejen69 11:38 pm
(23:38:53): if i put you up you're gunna hate me :-(
Dan - URTV 11:39 pm
(23:39:12): Im definitely not going to be happy and I think you'd be making a mistake
(23:39:26): I'd just hate to be out and then you go next.
Dan - URTV 11:39 pm
(23:39:48): I'd miss out on jury, you'd be first juror and then where would that get either of us
(23:39:59): when we couldve just continued to help one another and avoid all this?
(23:40:22): not saying thats how it would go, but its possible
Jenuinejen69 11:40 pm
(23:40:37): i've already mentioned putting you up to people, if i don't it's gunna weird and now my head hurts :-(
Dan - URTV 11:41 pm
(23:41:01): you're hoh man. You can do what you want and mentioning it to people doesnt mean thats what you'd do
(23:41:22): Here is an example
(23:41:34): Michele was hoh over here. She was talking to Jerry about possibly putting Lydia up
(23:41:43): well Jerry thought that was for sure and he went around spreading it to people
Dan - URTV 11:41 pm
(23:41:59): but it wasnt for sure and jerry got nominated by michele instead
(23:42:17): so, nothing is set in stong
(23:42:18): stone*
(23:42:23): until you do it
(23:43:12): I know you know there are people who wouldnt have a problem nominating you if they got the chance
Dan - URTV 11:44 pm
(23:44:02): we've been good all game and going after me, you'd mess that up
(23:44:12): :-(
Jenuinejen69 11:45 pm
(23:45:16): the thing that makes it worse is if i was in your position i'd be exactly the same as you
(23:45:23): and i know how much you hate it :-(
Dan - URTV 11:46 pm
(23:46:55): but the things about that is also, I'd know that putting you up would be a mistake because we could easily help each other.
(23:47:08): Targeting one another just gives other people an excuse to target us later
Jenuinejen69 11:49 pm
(23:49:13): i will give you this, you have pleaded one hell of a good case and i respect that a lot
Dan - URTV (DanIsNotJudas) is available 11:51 pm
Dan - URTV 11:51 pm
(23:51:56): am I not making sense at all? lol
Jenuinejen69 11:52 pm
(23:52:01): yes you are
(23:52:10): you have seriously made me re think
Dan - URTV 11:52 pm
(23:52:58): if your target is jordan, who is on vacation right now
(23:53:22): i think you'd need someone who would actually stay over her
Jenuinejen69 11:53 pm
(23:53:27): who?
Dan - URTV 11:53 pm
(23:53:46): well first i wanna know who has these veto balls
(23:53:52): cuz thats important too
Jenuinejen69 11:53 pm
(23:53:53): i have no idea
Jenuinejen69 11:54 pm
(23:54:00): but apparently Jordan cant play veto
Dan - URTV 11:54 pm
(23:54:37): oh she cant?
(23:54:41): hmm
Jenuinejen69 11:54 pm
(23:54:45): idk if its true
Dan - URTV 11:56 pm
(23:56:28): well who do you know that would vote her out for sure... Russell, Michele, Pickle Head?
(23:56:41): Just to prove that I mean what Im saying, I'd vote her out.
(23:56:51): ive been saying actions are the true test of loyalty, so id do it
Jenuinejen69 12:00 am
(00:00:42): ugh i need to get my ceremony posted
Dan - URTV 12:01 am
(00:01:18): so are we good?
(00:01:45): what else do you need from me? i just noticed all you need is 4 votes to get out who you want
(00:01:51): i just named them for you
Jenuinejen69 12:02 am
(00:02:17): but who would i put up against Jordan?
Dan - URTV 12:02 am
(00:02:39): a vote to keep her is the smartest move. do you know how memphis or even jerry would vote?
Jenuinejen69 12:02 am
(00:02:51): no
Dan - URTV 12:03 am
(00:03:33): so why keep people safe if you dont know where they stand?
Jenuinejen69 12:05 am
(00:05:14): my head is fucked
Dan - URTV 12:08 am
(00:08:29): im sorry man
(00:09:20): Just as long as you know that Im going to help you. Me gone hurts you :-(
Jenuinejen69 12:09 am
(00:09:45): im just going to be honest, it's how i intend to play this game
Jenuinejen69 12:10 am
(00:10:45): you will be going up against Jordan but i will do everything i can to make sure Jordan leaves, if her not being able to win veto is true, her fate is already sealed, i will rally for her to leave, i know you're going to hate me and im sorry but i dont wnat you to go :-(
Dan - URTV 12:11 am
(00:11:21): okay Brian
(00:11:30): I understand that you think this is your best move
(00:11:38): I wish I could say you were right
(00:11:59): but you're not and I really do hope Jordan leaves. She has a wall of allies behind her
(00:12:17): you're actually sealing my fate
Jenuinejen69 12:12 am
(00:12:33): if i thought i was i wouldn't do this
Dan - URTV 12:12 am
(00:12:47): okay. thanks for listening to me
(00:12:58): even if you were always gonna put me up no matter what I said :-(
Jenuinejen69 12:13 am
(00:13:06): no that was never the case
Dan - URTV 12:13 am
(00:13:16): I feel like it was, but Ill believe you that it wasnt.
Jenuinejen69 12:13 am
(00:13:17): you really made me question myself
(00:13:26): i was speaking to housecalls about it
Dan - URTV 12:14 am
(00:14:02): i just want to stay and honestly brian, the way you've gone about this
(00:14:24): i totally respect it and I'll give you my word right now that if I win hoh next, you wont go up
(00:14:30): everyone else would expect me to put you up
(00:14:40): and they'd throw you under the bus just as fast because you did nom me
(00:14:42): but I wont
Jenuinejen69 12:14 am
(00:14:57): seriously?
Dan - URTV 12:15 am
(00:15:02): are you kidding?
(00:15:04): to save their own butts
(00:15:05): yes
Jenuinejen69 12:15 am
(00:15:11): no
Dan - URTV 12:15 am
(00:15:13): if I won hoh, they'd say well Brian did nom you
Jenuinejen69 12:15 am
(00:15:22): you wont put me up after im going to put you up? :-\
Dan - URTV 12:15 am
(00:15:28): Yeah I wont
(00:15:36): just like if I was to win this one
(00:15:39): I wouldnt put you up
(00:15:44): it doesnt benefit me at all
Jenuinejen69 12:15 am
(00:15:53): ok that confuses me, but thanks?
Dan - URTV 12:15 am
(00:15:56): thats what Im saying, I dont do things out of vengeance
(00:16:11): not trying to confuse you. Im just being honest.
Jenuinejen69 12:16 am
(00:16:12): ok and i appreciate that
(00:16:25): yeah ik, i just thought you would target me after this
Dan - URTV 12:16 am
(00:16:52): well I wont. I havent targeted you at all so far. Jordan has
Dan - URTV 12:17 am
(00:17:12): but I seriously do think we could help each other instead of going after one another
Jenuinejen69 12:17 am
(00:17:41): im not going after you
Dan - URTV 12:19 am
(00:19:36): :-(
(00:19:38): im so sad right now.
Jenuinejen69 12:19 am
(00:19:49): dont do this to me :-(
Dan - URTV 12:20 am
(00:20:09): Im not doing it on purpose. I just didnt think I'd be as hurt as I am.
(00:20:20): But like it does hurt. sorry :-\
Jenuinejen69 12:20 am
(00:20:57): just dont take it as anything personal, you are seriously a great guy
Dan - URTV 12:21 am
(00:21:24): please help me stay then
Dan - URTV 12:21 am
(00:21:37): and Ill try not to take it personal
(00:21:45): but im sure you did when you were a pawn all those times
(00:21:52): and I was giving you emotional support
Jenuinejen69 12:22 am
(00:22:21): i will do everything in my power to make sure you dont leave
Dan - URTV 12:25 am
(00:25:27): okay. thank you so much :-(
Jenuinejen69 12:27 am
(00:27:21): can we hug it out?
Dan - URTV 12:27 am
(00:27:49): I need one. seriously
Jenuinejen69 12:28 am
(00:28:07): :-(
Dan - URTV 12:28 am
(00:28:21): *hugs*
Jenuinejen69 12:28 am
(00:28:31): *hugs*
Jenuinejen69 12:33 am
(00:33:02): this will give you drive to win veto as well right? ;-)
Dan - URTV 12:35 am
(00:35:45): I knoww. I always try my best. Now I have to really fight for it. But if I win, you'd have to put someone else up :-\
Jenuinejen69 12:35 am
(00:35:59): i know
Dan - URTV 12:36 am
(00:36:11): so I know you'd like noms to stay the same
(00:36:15): and I have to trust that Ill stay
(00:36:19): but its not a guarantee
(00:36:26): especially with jordan's friends in the game
(00:36:27): ugh
Jenuinejen69 12:36 am
(00:36:43): i already have 2 votes promised to do what i like
Dan - URTV 12:37 am
(00:37:09): thats good
(00:37:26): who? if you dont mind me asking. I wont say anything. But just so I know
Jenuinejen69 12:37 am
(00:37:31): Jerry and Jeff
Dan - URTV 12:37 am
(00:37:37): ahh okay
(00:37:44): thats interesting actually
Jenuinejen69 12:37 am
(00:37:47): why?
Dan - URTV 12:37 am
(00:37:57): i thought they were both closer to jordan
(00:38:29): like im cool with them but i just figured that jordan has everyone in the game lol
(00:38:36): i guess im just thinking the worst right now :-(
Jenuinejen69 12:38 am
(00:38:41): dont!
Dan - URTV 12:38 am
(00:38:58): Im tryin man
Jenuinejen69 12:40 am
(00:40:09): ok posted ceremony
Hi.
My ceremony was going to heavy Anti-Dan, but he made a good case and i want Jordan gone now, but i just can't back out of my original decision, i have to play with my head.
